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  • AvatarGlennmoss
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    Does anyone have the dimensions on the engine bay for a bus like this? Going to start to modeling how we’re going to fit the motor…

    AvatarJohn Jones
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    You want some measurements and pics??? 😎

    AvatarGlennmoss
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    That would be huge! We went up to EVWest today to try to dimension their 65 single cab engine bay with their Faro 3D scanning arm but they were busy getting ready for SEMA so we still need those measurements.

    We’ve been in contact with Volksagen North America’s Electric Research Laboratory up in Silicon Valley about a potential partnership and they seemed interested in our project. We sent them a list of items today that we’re going to need and they are going to get back to us on how exactly they can help.

    Using the Tesla motor will entail using the Tesla transmission because they are packaged as a unit. This means that we will have to use an IRS suspension to adapt the axles. Which kit would you guys recommend?

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    Wagenswest has a killer kit

    AvatarGlennmoss
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    Also Will told me today he got the original title from the previous owner and it’s a 57… I guess we have to change this thread’s title

    AvatarGlennmoss
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    I was just looking at their kits JB. Looks like they have they have two solutions now… I might reach out to Nate to see what he’d recommend

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    I like the idea of having VW power in our VW… Thats gonna put this out front of subi conversions in my mind… 😎

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    I was just looking at their kits JB. Looks like they have they have two solutions now… I might reach out to Nate to see what he’d recommend

    The Tesla bus build on samba looks crazy. The drive unit doesn’t fit for shit. I would say you should try to keep major mods to a minimum. Whatever batteries and motor get installed are sure to be obsolete in 10-15 years.

    I like a 2 speed transaxle the EV west is using.

     

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    I sort of agree with you Franz but after looking into it the Tesla motor seems like the best option. It includes a bunch of the components that would need to be purchased separately using other motors and is by far one of the most efficient electric vehicle motors out there. With all things considered, it is the more cost effective route to take and if something does go wrong with the motor it would be a heck of a lot easier to find a mechanic in 10-15 years that could work on a Tesla motor rather than something else. Not to mention that even with the dual motor option EVWest does you’re only getting around 150 hp whereas the Tesla motor can do around 250.

    The guys from VW said we should steer away from using the 2 speed transaxle or anything that wasn’t designed for the amount of torque that these are making and when I was working at EV West in 2016 it seemed like they tried designing that 2 speed because of the excessive wear and repairs that they were having to deal with.

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    If you are going to do a conversion… I was hoping for a bolt in kit using any vw tranny.. But I’m guessing that is not high tech enough for you yahoo’s??  I think doing a bunch of welding and hacking is dumb on this vintage bus.. 😎

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    Cause when that shit is out of date already, they will more than likely want to put it back to original..

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    The guys from VW said we should steer away from using the 2 speed transaxle or anything that wasn’t designed for the amount of torque that these are making and when I was working at EV West in 2016 it seemed like they tried designing that 2 speed because of the excessive wear and repairs that they were having to deal with.

     

    Might be worth checking again with EV to see what trans setup they used for this Tesla/911 conversion.
    http://www.speedhunters.com/2018/10/future-porsche-tesla-powered-classic-911/

     

    AvatarGlennmoss
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    Might be worth checking again with EV to see what trans setup they used for this Tesla/911 conversion. http://www.speedhunters.com/2018/10/future-porsche-tesla-powered-classic-911/

    Yeah that’s the RWB Porsche EV West has been working on for SEMA! They were working on it yesterday and it was on its way to Vegas today. That uses the larger 400 V Tesla motor and transmission with 930 axles. That frame you see in the back is what we are trying to design for a VW bus that would hold the Tesla motor and tranny with the existing mounting points

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    We are trying to find a way to do an IRS with no hacking and welding only when absolutely necessary and still reversible. Do you think there is something out there like that or will we have to design our own?

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    I dunno Glen… This is sounding way more complicated than I was anticipating… 8-(

    AvatarBaja Mark
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    There are bolt on IRS kits that bolt around the torsion housing and can be setup correctly. You can then stitch weld in place once camber etc is setup. I did a fair few IRS conversions back in the day.

    Even the bolt on kits require a little persuasion of the heater cable conduits and maybe bending the heater log a little for clearance.

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    Yeah, all that stuff Marks said, and then upper shock mounting is a problem. Wagen’s West Baywindow IRS may fit better.

    EVWest feels like the VW transaxle is too weak for big motors?

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    I just talked with Nate at Wagon’s West and he’s super stoked on the project. He thinks that the Tesla transmission is definitely the way to go and it sounds like he was interested in doing something similar with his barndoor 23 😲 Said he might be able to sponsor our project on the IRS but I want to talk to you first John…

    AvatarGlennmoss
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    I’ve been in contact with VW’s silicon valley research facility about sourcing some batteries or maybe even a motor.

    Sounds like I’m going to have to change direction on my project this year away from the single cab but still have lot of cool ideas on where to take it. This racing support panel was just shown today at the LA Auto Showvolkswagen-i-d-buzz-cargo-motorsports-concept-1volkswagen-i-d-buzz-cargo-motorsports-concept-1 (1)volkswagen-i-d-buzz-cargo-motorsports-concept-1 (2)

    This is the platform VW is going to use to build 22 electric models off of by 2022

    AvatarFranz
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    Almost looks like a ghia pan. Maybe use the whole chassis with a vintage body on top?

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