- John JonesKeymasterAugust 4, 2020 at 10:05 amPost count: 6723
well…. I am finally back around…. 😎 😎 I am 5 weeks out of surgery now… I feel better today than I did before surgery… 😎 😎 I am happy to say that… and I stopped taking them damn OXY’s a few days ago… The pain is not that bad finally… 😎 And I am determined that them oxy’s fuck with my HEAD!!!!! 8-( 8-( 8-( They must release what ever is the opposite of dopamine’s into my head!!! I am starting to get my flexibility back.. My incisions are all healed up and I think my muscles are starting to grow back and shit. My guts feel better finally too… anyway…. I look forward to the next few weeks… I know I better not push it.. I know…. I will stay chill….. 😎 😎 😎
oh… my pamper motor is pissed off…. I think I should start ordering parts for a new motor. every time I over heat it… it leaks more…. 8-(tlambertParticipantAugust 4, 2020 at 10:12 amPost count: 313
That’s great John. Glad to hear you’re doing better!volksaddictParticipantAugust 4, 2020 at 11:32 amPost count: 625
Fucking Volkswagens! A love hate thing!!Lone StarParticipantAugust 4, 2020 at 1:00 pmPost count: 185
Good to hear your getting better.Baja MarkParticipantAugust 4, 2020 at 2:32 pmPost count: 451
Great to hear you’re through the worst John 👌🏼👏🏼😊BBWBParticipantAugust 4, 2020 at 8:51 pmPost count: 839
Glad you’re up about, and feeling better John. I was in Ely since last Thursday. Was going to swing through Junction and then saw on KCW that everyone went camping. So I just drove home. My Subi didn’t miss a beat in 100+ temps.
I'm at the age where "fuck off", "fuck you", and "fuck it" answer most questions.Brian EParticipantAugust 4, 2020 at 10:17 pmPost count: 37
John, good to hear you are on the down hill side and getting better. Also good to hear you considering a new engine. 😉 I know you prefer big deck heights and all, but here is my recipe for my 2332cc. It has about 10k miles on it in just over a year. Two 2000 mile road trips so far. Not quite JJ mileage, but it has proven itself. The last leak down test I did before our trip to Yellowstone showed only 6% after almost 7500 miles.
New aluminum case, 84×94, AA P&c’s, Grant rings with my special voodoo cylinder prep, Web 218 cam, CB lightweight lifters, 9.3:1, .040 deck height, stock rockers on solid shafts, Fancy single valve springs with flat inner damper, 1 5/8″ header.
I am running 40×35 AA500 heads that I have fully ported. Mine are the exact same heads I built for Josh B. on his 2332. They are about 175cfm @.500″ and 65cc intake ports. Super high velocity for big low end torque. For your engine I would just go with CB Panchito heads with the 63cc CNC chamber. They will cool better and they are available off the shelf. You could also use the new 1 5/8″ finned heater boxes. I am pretty sure your current stock diameter heater boxes are boiling your heads.
Measure everything and make sure it’s put together right, and it will be a cool running low rpm torque monster. Details are everything, and the power and cool running is in the heads.
Pretty soon you will be all healed up and ready for more adventures, you might as well have a nice new MODERN built engine to go with it. Ditch the ’80’s Berg technology!! 😆
When you drove the little Shawty you said that 1968cc was quicker than your 2332……wait till you see what a carefully designed big bus engine can do! The 2332 in my bay will eat that little 1968cc’s lunch.
BrianFranzKeymasterAugust 4, 2020 at 11:03 pmPost count: 3630
Yep, like those panchito heads.
78mm x thick wall 92mm is my new favorite beater bus engine. Engle 100 advanced 4 degrees, piston oil squirters and Bob Hoover lifter/rocker mods.👍 8:1 and dual Weber 40mm carbs = torque monster for 3.44 ring and pinionBrian EParticipantAugust 5, 2020 at 10:27 amPost count: 37
78×92 is also a bulletproof combo.
Compression is torque, and you guys are at 4500′. I am at 3500′ and I run 9.3. The higher the elevation, the higher the compression needs to be to make up for the lack of air. If you have a tight .045″ deck height, you can safely run the higher compression no problem. The heads will most likely run cooler with the tight deck also.
If you like the Engle 100 cam, try a Web 218. It is the ultimate bus cam. Quiet lash ramps, and a modern lobe design. It builds cylinder pressure faster, and makes really good low to mid rpm power. I used the same 218 in the 1968cc in the shorty.
BrianJohn JonesKeymasterAugust 5, 2020 at 12:56 pmPost count: 6723
I thought about just calling Brian the other day… but he told me himself, he was trying to get out of the engine building business… so I just called Eddie at painters and ordered a new long block.. 78×90.5’s…… I probably fucked something up last time I went through my current motor… I’m not an engine builder, Eddie is😁😁😁😁😁.
Smaller motor, less heat…
I want heater boxes I have to have defrost at least!!!!! I drive in the winter a lot 😁. Maybe I should look into some bigger heater boxes? I sure like stock boxes.. I’ve never seen an aftermarket box that puts out good heat.Brian EParticipantAugust 5, 2020 at 1:43 pmPost count: 37
I might have made an exception for you JJ……But it would have to be built MY way. 😆 😀 😯
I think you should still use the CNC Panchito heads and a Web 218 for sure, even with the smaller displacement. I guarantee you it will be a huge difference over non-ported off the shelf heads and another boring Engle W series cam. 😀
There are some new 1 5/8″ heater boxes that have stock style internal fins. I think AC industries makes them. BUT…I think 1 5/8″ is too big for your now 2007cc engine. You should have 1 1/2″ on it.
Why not the thick wall 92’s? I have used lots of them, and they are great with Grant rings added.
Smaller motor, less heat isn’t always true. WAY to many variables. Pretty sure you have seen plenty of 1600’s, and 1835’s that would boil., but a 2332cc in a bay will work just fine. Its all in the details and the parts combo.
A huge engine won’t have to work so hard because it is making extra power. It is working maybe 75% capacity most of the time. So it will run cooler than a smaller engine. The smaller engine will be tapped out and having to work 95% capacity its whole life.
Its all in the details, and the combo. The heads and cam MUST work together, and be matched for the application.
BrianJohn JonesKeymasterAugust 6, 2020 at 11:42 amPost count: 6723
I think I went too low on my compression.. and I do think my stock heater boxes are causing my heads to boil… agreed. I think the two items are killing me right now.. I think I am going to have stock heads on my 2007…. That should work with my heater boxes too…8-) Hell, Coles 1914 didnt have ANY problem keeping up wth my motor.. But Willy broke his fan on his inter cooler on his turbo diesel jetta motor and so he couldn’t haul ass up the hill either… just sayin… he was making too much heat…. too much power… too much heat… 😎
I think I have been overloading my bus…. and I like to keep the rpm’s up… to keep fan speed up… but doing full throttle up wolf creek pass in 3rd gear the whole way 10 miles or so….. yeah…. it got hot… you can’t make that kind of power, without heat.. can’t be done…. 2332 full throttle up a steep hill in a bus…. no way to control that kind of heat… and I have gone over like 40 passes just this year,, and I drive up all of them too fast… 😎 Oddly enough… bubba’s 1641 was only a couple minutes behind me when I got to the top and overheated my shit AGAIN…. It never stopped running… so I kept it going.. she still runs fine.. but I need to make some changes.. so I will have Blaine look over this 2332 and make it turbo ready for my sand rail… 😎 and I think smaller heads are going to help me out a ton…
I’m glad Brian has a combo he thinks will last… I thought I had a combo about 3 motors, and 2 busses ago…. 😎 But the more I over heat and wear my shit out, the less I feel like I have come up with the ultimate combo that will last in an over loaded bus in too hot of heat for too many miles…
I think I am just under 70 nights camping this year…. and I think all them nights and miles were in the pamper… With my Wife and 2 dogs and my overloaded roof rack… Milage this year?? I don’t keep track… 😎 But I have been to cali three times, Washington, Oregon, south Dakota, Wyoming, idaho, utah many times, lake powell for 30 days!!!! and probably a few other states I forgot!!!! 😎
If I only camped like 3-4 times a year, and kept it within a 1000 mile range of home… I bet my shit would still be running just fine…. 😎Brian EParticipantAugust 6, 2020 at 9:44 pmPost count: 37
doing full throttle up wolf creek pass in 3rd gear the whole way 10 miles or so….. yeah…. it got hot… you can’t make that kind of power, without heat.. can’t be done…. 2332 full throttle up a steep hill in a bus…. no way to control that kind of heat…
Been there, done that….😁
I kindly disagree.😉 I did 65mph the whole way up passing people. I drive the poor old girl like a 16year old. 4000rpm every shift. I like to think of it as product testing. I like to drive them way harder than most customers would. When I got to the top the oil temp was barely 220.
Still the exact same engine. 10k miles, lots of Colorado and Wyoming passes. I know it’s not anywhere near JJ mileage, but it gets more harder miles than most old buses, and it just keeps cranking away.
I would recommend not doing the stock valves. I will do the math tomorrow, but I am guessing it will be choked close to 4000rpm. Unable to breath any higher because of the small cross section of the valve seat. Bare minimum do a 37×33 head. They work amazing when built correctly, and you can still just barely use a stock heater box. If you do insist on stock valves, the AA500 heads from AA Performance have a 60cc chamber and actually flow pretty good with a bowl clean up and a really good 3angle valve job.
BrianBBWBParticipantAugust 7, 2020 at 12:16 amPost count: 839
JJ, I think you need to listen to this guy. Sounds like he has a good recipe.
I'm at the age where "fuck off", "fuck you", and "fuck it" answer most questions.Brian EParticipantAugust 7, 2020 at 12:09 pmPost count: 37
John, whats your tire size, and R&P in the trans? Big nut or small nut?
What MPH do you like to cruise the highway at?
I want to do some math. I think I have an idea that might be causing some of your heat issues.
BrianJohn JonesKeymasterAugust 8, 2020 at 12:41 pmPost count: 6723
I think Brian is sharp as a tack and has access to some awesome tools… When I get this next motor worn out I will step my game up to a type E power plant, done all his way… 😁. But I’m gonna try one more time😁😁😁😘. Question is if I can keep road tripping and camping as much as I have been.. I’m also gonna have to slow down….. and I bite my tounge even thinking about it… but I might have to add that berg idiot light oil temp high turns on the light.. or a head temp gauge???? Or water injection?????John JonesKeymasterAugust 8, 2020 at 12:46 pmPost count: 6723
John, whats your tire size, and R&P in the trans? Big nut or small nut? What MPH do you like to cruise the highway at? I want to do some math. I think I have an idea that might be causing some of your heat issues. Brian
i have a 3.44 R&P small nut reduces and .89 better 4th gear.. I run 215/75/15’s… I like to cruise around 62-65 mph..
back in the day Willy had a sweet excel file you could just plug numbers into…
i do appreciate all your input and was blown away by all your stuff up there!!!!John JonesKeymasterAugust 9, 2020 at 8:28 amPost count: 6723
One other thing we rarely consider. How much power is lost through the reduces? I don’t recall having many engine problems back in my straight axle days😁😁😁😁😘FranzKeymasterAugust 9, 2020 at 9:29 amPost count: 3630
RGB’s add load to the engine for sure…. along with a giant sky deck rack, and fully loaded, plus two dogs, a canopy, and all your supplies.
I’m calling bullshit on .040” deck 2276cc. You’d have to have 90cc heads and cut a dish so deep in the piston that it would make it weak.
…and I don’t really think the deck is the key to running cool and higher compression anyways. I’ve built several 1600cc with .035 deck that detonate under load on pump gas @ 30 degrees timing advance. They get hot too.
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